Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Logical Fallacies In Monty Python and The Holy Grail

Following the rules of logic is the key to making a good argument for any proposition. Logic is something of a science, which with practice, can be mastered. The following is meant to be an amusing demonstration of logic by using an example of bad logic from a scene in the classic British comedy Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975).

You may watch the clip here and then see my analysis of the logical reasoning below:


An Inductive Argument:

At the beginning of the scene, the mob attempts to use inductive reasoning, which means they attempt to arrive at a conclusion ("She's a witch!") by way of empirical evidence. What evidence do they provide? A witch's nose, witch's clothing, a witch's hat, and a wart. The nose, clothing, and hat all fail to lead to the conclusion, because, as it turns out, they forced her to dress in such a way. Therefore, they are false premises (see the argument below). The wart alone, then, is insufficient to declare her a witch, because non-witches have warts. This is the problem with inductive arguments--they are not conclusively true with absolute certainty. Inductive arguments, at their best, can only suggest the truth of their conclusion with a high degree of probability. [1] Inductive arguments may be strong and cogent. If the given premises lead to the conclusion with a high degree of probability, it is strong. If the given premises are true and they lead to the conclusion, the argument is cogent. In this case, the argument is strong, but not cogent (because three of the premises are false).

The failed inductive argument:
  1. The woman has a witch's nose,           (false premise)
  2. and [she is wearing] witch's clothing,  (false premise)
  3. and [she is wearing] a witch's hat.       (false premise)
  4. She has a wart.                                    (insufficient for the conclusion)
  5. Only witches have witches' noses, clothing, hats, and warts.
  6. Therefore, she's a witch!
The task of proving her witchy ways is not over, however. Due to Sir Bedevere's superior rationalist wisdom, he seeks to guide them through Socratic questioning down a deductive path, rather than an inductive one.

A Deductive Argument:

The transcript of the scene is below, but I have attempted to recompose the narrative as a deductive syllogism. [2] However, I have reconstructed the argument in reverse order, relative to the film, because Sir Bedevere seems to work backwards from the conclusion to the premises. [3]
    1. If she weighs the same as a duck, she'll float. (false, confuses weight with density)
    2. she does weigh the same as a duck; (true in this case, if the scales are to be trusted)
    3. [conclusion #1] Therefore, she'll float. (valid but unsound)
    4. If she floats, she is made of wood. (false, many other things float)
    5. She does float; (false/based on conclusion #1)
    6. [conclusion #2] Therefore, she's made of wood. (valid but unsound)
    7. If she's made of wood, she's a witch. (assumed by all in the scene to be true)
    8. She is made of wood; (false/based on conclusion #2)
    9. [conclusion #3] Therefore, she's a witch! (valid but unsound)
    Deductive arguments may be valid and sound. "Valid" means that the given premises logically lead to the given conclusion because they follow a good form. [4] "Sound" means that the premises lead to the conclusion, and all of the premises are actually true. In this case, according to the way in which I have modeled the argument, the three sections of the argument are all valid. However, they are unsound, because a number of the premises are clearly false.

    Unfortunately for the young lady accused, this crowd of peasants and their dim-witted leader, Sir Bedevere, do not understand that arguments can be valid but still untrue.
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    [1] Scientific data and evidence presented in court are empirical data meant to construct an inductive argument. Scientific theories and verdicts in court can't be proven 100%; however, they can be demonstrated to be true beyond a "reasonable doubt."
    [2] A syllogism is merely a form of argument in which a conclusion is inferred from two or more premises.
    [3] I attempted to compose the argument in the same order as the film, but I couldn't make sense of it. Reworking it in reverse made it work.
    [4] Each of the three deductive arguments that make up the larger argument that she is a witch are valid forms. The logical form that they are follow is called modus ponens, which means that the second line affirms the antecedent of the first first line. An explanation of the four valid deductive forms is beyond the scope of this post.
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    Transcript:

    Mob: "We've found a witch. May we burn her?"
    Sir Bedevere: "How do you know she is a witch?"
    Mob: "She looks like one!"

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    Man: "She turned me into a newt (pause)... I got better"
    Mob: "Burn her anyway!"
    Sir Bedevere: "Quiet, Quiet, there are ways of telling if she is a witch. Tell me, what do you do with witches?"
    Mob: "Burn 'em"
    Sir Bedevere: "And what do you burn apart from witches?"
    Mob: "More witches ... (silence and pondering) ... wood."
    Sir Bedevere: "So, why do witches burn?"
    Mob: " (pondering) because they're made of wood?"
    Sir Bedevere: "Good ... So, how do we well whether she is made of wood?"
    Mob: "Build a bridge out of her."
    Sir Bedevere: "Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?"
    Mob: "Oh yeah..."
    Sir Bedevere: "Does wood sink in water?"
    Mob: "No, it floats. Throw her into the pond!"
    Sir Bedevere: "What also floats in water?"
    Mob: "apples...cider...cherries...nuts...churches...very small rocks...lead..."
    King Arthur: "A duck!"
    Sir Bedevere: "Exactly. So, logically ....
    Mob: "If she weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood."
    Sir Bedevere: "And, therefore ...."
    Mob: "A witch!"

    20 comments:

    1. I never realized that something could be valid but still based on false ideas.

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    2. Wow, I've never thought about this scene in the mocie this way before. It's very interesting and insightful!
      -Shelby Shelton

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    3. Inductive and deductive always get messed up in my head! This was a really fun example of the two different reasoning techniques! Their points were true, but the problem was that they were based on false ideas.
      -Mallory Bryant

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    4. I have never seen this movie and not sure I would want too. It seems odd to think that something could be valid and based on false ideas, but as I think about it, there is probably a lot of things that fall into that category. Anna Cain

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    5. It's insane how much the influence this class has had on the way I watch movies. I cannot watch a single movie without thinking about the fallacies, worldviews, and other relgious influences on the film. I never thought that this class would truly change my viewpoint but it truly has, just like I would have never picked out the way they decided she was a witch as a fallacy.

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    6. This is another example of how we can see different types of religions in movies. Ever since I have taken the Worldview class, it is very easy when I watch a movie to see which Worldview is related in the movie! This was really interesting!!! -Brent Clay

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    7. This is interesting. I once read a book about differnece between inductive and deductive reasoning. It used an example and a chicken and a human as examples: A chicken can move. A human can move. Therefore, chicken is a human. I thought it was a stupid logic. I think I really enjoyed that book and decided to reason things based on logic. (It didn't last very long though) This post reminds me of the book I read. Maybe I should try to reason things based on logic from now on.

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    8. You all realize that this is satire right? That the writers understand the false logic in all of this?

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      1. Of course we do. It is a great comedic film that many people are familiar with. I just thought it would be an amusing way to illustrate deductive and inductive arguments. Why would you think we were taking the film seriously?

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    9. I find this topic really interesting and it helped me realize some things about the debate yesterday. I also really like how you used a movie video clip to discuss about deductive and inductive arguments. I couldn't help but crack up at how they are relating witches to wood and ducks.
      Unfortunately, I have never seen the whole movie. I've only watched a clip of the killer rabbit. Someday, when I have time, I might watch it.

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    10. It is interesting to see how crazy some arguments may sound even though they are valid.

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    11. I found it funny when you first showed that it was an inductive argument, and at last you say that it was a deductive argument without sound. And I found it interesting how people may see it inductive but when you look into it, it may be a deductive argument without sound.

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    12. It was interesting to observe how even movies utilize different methods of reasoning to argue even the silliest of things. I found the integration of different types of deducting reasoning into one larger argument to be interesting. This article intrigues me to see if any other movies use similar methods of reasoning.

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    13. It is somewhat interesting and sad at the same time, how one person can be accused by such invalid and stupid argument which lacks whole bunch of evidence. Clearly, the clip is satirical and exaggerated by I can kind of relate the reality and the clip, because people are so easily persuaded by a stupid argument when a lot of people believe it that way. However the clip was funny, gotta watch it later!

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    14. Although the argument is absurd it is valid, not sound, but valid. The towns people explain that because she has characteristics of a witch she is one. The "wise" Sir Bedevere offers them another argument to explain why the young woman is a witch. Bedevere uses analogical induction to explain that if she weighs the same as a duck she is a witch.

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    15. Before your lecture and this blog post, I would have thought that these people's argument is both invalid and unsound. However, as I went through this post, I noticed that certain argument can be valid but unsound if the premises are wrong. These people's argument that the woman is a witch uses premises that are totally off, but how these premises are connected with each other is valid. I think it's pretty surprising that what people commonly view as unreasonable can be proven reasonable through reasonings.

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    16. Interesting post. I am now aware that even the most ridiculous arguments that are not sound can be valid in structure.
      -Nayong

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    17. I noticed that there can be structural validity within the craziest arguments. By seeing that even movies use the technique, I suppose that unsound valid arguments are mainstream in today's world.
      -Zachery Son

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    18. I have also noticed the ridiculous argument that the director is trying to convey. The argument and the reasons behind his argument is so invalid. I feel like Christians should be more careful with what they learn and hear from the world. -Joseph Choi-

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    19. very lovely analysis, regards, mr. gouda

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